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carla

It looks as if--if we are all very good--we could wind up overcoming modernism not by overcoming the systems that restrain the individual, but by overcoming the individual itself.

Modernism is about heroically reaching beyond the mundane desires of the individual.

carla

Or rather, Modernism/Individualism encompasses a wide range of motives and desires, including heroic feats which benefit humanity (purposefully or not, performed with heroic intentions or not). I don't understand the interpretation that such acts of individual achievement are are done for self-promotion, or to establish self-identity or achieve authority or power. This may play a role at some point, but we appoint iconiclastic stature to those who give of themself. We do so because we believe the effort is worthwhile; we believe humanity is worthy of individual effort and responsibility. We should question the criterium used, but to dismiss our belief in heroism? And to do so because it seems too hierarchical? I believe we can maturely handle the dangers of heirarchical systems.

carla

I apologize for going off track from your post.

db

The challenge of modernity is to live without illusions and without becoming disillusioned.
-Antonio Gramsci

Enlightenment is just progressive disillusionment.
-Buddha

Amy Walsh

Nice post!

As I was reading your description of the Old Bohemian - and your question about what is possible now - one disturbing example kept popping to mind. I just read "The 4-Hour Workweek," the New York Times bestselling business book right now. In a somewhat slimy, ultra-capitalist way, this book is about being "smart enough" to change the rules of the game, or at least manipulate the rules, so that we can design our lives and careers so that we may work 4 hours a week, get what we deserve, and "join the new rich."

I was intrigued of course - as an artist I'm willing to read anything about maximizing income and reducing time spent on profitmaking in order to free up time to make art.

Apparently, this 4-hour work week model involves a lot of outsourcing of your daily tasks to "assistants" in India, etc. You know, people who aren't crafty enough to change the rules of the game. So some of us deserve the new rich lifestyle, and some are in the support roles. Ick.

There are some good ideas and valuable insights for artists if you put your imperialism filters on though - about how to rethink our relationship to time and work. I think many of us are already great at that and at finding the "black magic" of which you speak.

But I think the scary version of the new bohemian might be the ultra-individualist capitalist who is out there learning the new information/knowledge economy and taking advantage of all the opportunities to automate and outsource entire businesses, and letting the money collect in the Paypal account while taking skydiving lessons. There's even a quasi-environmental attitude about it, in using fewer resources to more efficiently get jobs done etc.

I would LOVE to know the answers to the questions you ask...how radical accountability and responsibility align with individual creativity (and collective creativity), and where the possibilities are of true resistance now.

As for being earnest... The culture is so cynical now, I think we can afford to err on the side of earnestness occasionally!

Pretty Lady

It's not about overcoming individuality, it's about transcending it. You come to understand that your genuine self-interest is aligned with the self-interest of others, not opposed to it. The sort of 'bohemian individualism' you describe is just stupid, short-sighted selfishness, which always comes back to bite you in the butt--that's just the law of karma.

I got my library books by working at libraries, and taking them out the back door. But I always returned them eventually. ;-)

21st Century Plowshare

What's the difference between overcoming and transcending?

(serous question, not being coy)

Pretty Lady

'Overcoming' implies that 'individuality' is something bad or negative--something to be defeated. 'Transcending,' on the other hand, is about 'moving beyond.'

As Ken Wilber says, you have to differentiate in order to integrate. Establishing a strong, differentiated individual identity is a necessary step toward transcendence; if you don't do that, you end up with a political situation of forced conformity, such as the totalitarian Soviet Union, or a immature psychological state of undifferentiated fusion, such as New Age Girl Scout Camp.

Transcendence encompasses and acknowledges all stages before it. My Zen monk ex-boyfriend used to say that every enlightened teacher has their own 'flavor'--the fact of their enlightenment does not obviate their individuality, but purifies it.

Deborah Fisher

Semantics are so interesting--I'm glad I asked.

I like the word "overcoming' because (in my mind, anyway) it makes the thing you overcome out to be this factual thing that you clamber over and that still exists, and that you can't disown any more than you can disown the ground beneath your feet. To me, that makes the meaning of overcoming similar to what you're talking about with transcendence. You overcome your individuality in the sense that you get over yourself. You don't go away or sublimate yourself. You do the work of moving beyond your self-based way of thinking and get yourself a little empathy.

(not that I am an expert on selflessness...)

Transcendence, to my ear, sounds diaphanous. Like you pass through your illusory sense of self that is not fact but merely a ghost. Maybe I am doing it wrong, but that doesn't sound like the work I am doing.

What I am talking about is that moment when you see yourself grabbing or reacting or thinking in terms of Me! or Mine! and you manage to stop yourself and do what you really want to do instead. To me, that moment feels as tedious and effortful crawling over a boulder.

The moment *after*, when the work has been accomplished, that feels light and diaphanous. To me, anyway. When I manage to get over my self-boulder. If this metaphor is making any sense at all.

Whatever. We seem to pretty much agree. You work with what you have to get to a place you have never seen. There is no good or bad, but there is work to be done.

Right?

ic

Most enjoyable post to come across and to read. I think current oppressive amounts of earnestness and lack of irony are the turning in art becoming a sort of marketing toil, enslaving and breeding a new kind of slavishness. Too many artists are afraid of being mad, and I mean this both symbolically and literally; yet there's 'mad money' available. (the frightful thing is, though you may have more time, your art might still be left undone -so there).

That aside, madness does mean not having comforts such as our double frappacino tall lattes to living and (truly) working from the slovenly studio and/or going after ideas that are ridiculous! How do we do this now when so slavish and sold are each of our souls? At the turn of last century, there were artists happy to go the mad house. There was Artaud of course -but there were others.

Believe me, it helps with current global problems if artists in rich countries are crafty enough to let commercial success be....be less driven for the money. Let it go.

Amy

You think earnestness and lack of irony are related to art becoming a marketing tool? I see the intense cynicism and irony in so much contemporary art being more a language designed for an ever more cynical art market.

but maybe the word "earnest" needs to be examined... I see it as being straightforward, direct, honest...perhaps to an embarrassingly eager degree. Could be worse...

ic

I see your point. I was speaking though in context of how the main post used same. Perhaps I ought to go back to post.

That aside, I think Hilary is a point to make apropos this theme: many artists are like dear Hilary, so earnest wanting so to get the appointment and ready to tweak here and there according to complaints. Many artists are now like professional politicians. When we use irony in the object itself, there's so much of the clever wink wink going on that the work leaves you cold.

But I am speaking here mainly of our current plague of earnestness, well-meaningness, the facetiousness-toil-for-profits in the lives of people who are suppose to see things upside down. Everyone seems to be aiming to have the comfortable house and the comfortable ride, pay the house loans and the credit cards and be 'thankful'. Positivism and earnestness (in this vein) is killing the soul.

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